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<Hook> Yo
<Hook> Sorry, stepped away for a second
<^Borg^> hi, What do you do at id Hook?
<Hook> I'm a programmer, here to help John Carmack
<Hook> Working on hardware acceleration and level editing chores
<[SaNDman]> cool Hook
<Mutilator> c00l
<The_Shit> cool
<Prestige> hey gota Question, and I wonder if you can answer it
<Hook> Probably not, but I'll give it a try
<[SaNDman]> hehe
<Hook> (Note, I just started here on Monday)
<^Borg^> excellent - will Quake2's gl optimization be better than the current glquake speedwise?
<Mach5> Hook, the ques on everyones mind, what up whith that l33t quake2 chic?
<[SaNDman]> Hook, any other id'er's on IRC now?
<Isolation> WE GOT A SERVE!!!!
<Hook> Many of you guys know more about Q2 than I do, so don't be disappointed
<Prestige> Hook, do you know what difference there will be in playing the Female play vs playing the Male player in Quake 2?
<Hook> Yes, Quake2 will have better GL performance.  At least, that's the theory. :-)
<Mutilator> heh
<Baron> w00h00! server!!!
<Hook> JohnC learned a lot from GLQuake, so a lot of those lessons are being applied to Quake 2, both in terms of features and performance
<Hook> Right now the female vs. male thing is VERY preliminary
<Mutilator> Prestige: yeah.... you have a better downward view from the males side :)
<^Borg^> thanks :)
<Hook> I didn't find out about it until, um, yesterday
<Hook> I learn about most of my Q2 stuff from JohnC's .plan and BluesNews :-)
<Mutilator> hehe
<Prestige> hmm
<^Borg^> lol
<[SaNDman]> isn;t Quake2 gonna be a kind of cross between GLQuake and QWorld?
<[SaNDman]> multi/graphics wise
<Mutilator> QW style for Net play.......
<Hook> Quake2 will integrate all of the various Quake codebases, including Quake, WinQuake, VQuake, GLQuake, and QWorld
<[SaNDman]> cool
<Rotwang> Quake2 will have regular 8-bit graphics and GLQuake in the same executable, with QuakeWorld as the internet play code base.
<Rotwang> w00p, beat me to it!
<Hook> It will use some of the QWorld techniques for net play
<Hook> It will support the various renderers for Verite, GL, and software, and it will be a Win32 app
<Rotwang> :)
<^Borg^> Hook: are you guys briefed on what you can and can't answer on IRC?
<alert> so quake2 will have cut sceans in 1 player mode then?????
<Hook> And it will work under NT and Win95.  It won't require DirectX, although it will use it if available.
<The_Shit> how will the qworld performance differ from what it is now
<Mach5> no offence, but i hate QW, i can never get a good game, and is NOT my ISP
<Raven||TF> quakeworld is the only way to play on a 28.8, modem(I should go to work and play on the t1)
<Hook> Borg: No, not really
<Hook> Borg: Then again, I don't know enough to be dangerous. :-)
<Mutilator> Will the Q2 requirements be higher than P133 16mb?
<Mjollnir> Hook: You work on the Glide 3dfx API?
Raven||TF feels sorry for Hook
<Hook> The target system for Q2 will be a P90 w/ 16MB
<^Borg^> Hook: hehe.. yeah I guess, if you read blues than you know as much as me.
<Mutilator> k cool
<Hook> Um, I WROTE Glide
<Rotwang> alert: Quake2 begins with an opening movie, in the Quake engine
Mutilator smiles
<Baron> :)
<alert> cool
<Tritian-> grr
<Mutilator> Trit: y u keep droppin mang?
<Mjollnir> Hook: Excellent...
<Mach5> Trit, having trouble?
<[SaNDman]> can someone please help me set up a skin?
<Stratt> anyone here use glquakeworld?
<Tritian-> Mutilator: most likely because someone is port nuking me
<Mutilator> ;(
<Baron> hook: do you know if anybody at id likes star trek?
<The_Brain> gettin re-booted?>
<Baron> :)
<Mutilator> trit: get a port scanner
<Hook> I have no idea if anyone likes Star Trek.
<Mutilator> if u don't already have one that is
<Hook> I DO know most of us like NIN
<^Borg^> Hook: you wrote glide, cool. Then why does this variable give me 5 fps more in glquake?
<Baron> crap
<Mutilator> hook:  hehe
<Baron> YEAH! NIN!
<Tritian-> TB: no, the other type of nuke
<^Borg^> SET FX_GLIDE_SWAPINTERVAL=0
<The_Shit> hook: will net play performance increase in q2
<Prestige> oh NO
<Prestige> no more id webpage updates!!!
<Hook> FX_GLIDE_SWAPINTERVAL controls whether you sync to vertical retrace
<Prestige> well, not until after E3
<Mutilator> Hook: Star trek is 0k...... 
<Hook> Turning it off should improve performance, but at the cost of tearing and other weird visual anomalies
<Baron> nin rules... 
<Hook> Star Trek: NG had its moments.
<Mutilator> yeah
<Hook> I still miss Space: Above and Beyond...*sigh*
<Mutilator> NIN r00ls
<^Borg^> Hook: okay.. thanks.. 
<Hook> TheShit: yes, I think so, but I'm not sure by how much over QW
<Mutilator> I never saw that one much..... I was t00 busy elsehwre
<Baron> space above and beyond was cool
<maddog666> its bobdole
<Mjollnir> Hook: Working Glide is _very_ cool... except the #define __MSC__ bit... eheh :) Took me ages to pin that down (my own stupidity mainly ;)
<_BLaZeR_> Yea.. S:AAB ruled.... watch for it on the Sci-Fi channel.. :)
<jackychan> its o.k. I am not that bobdole
<Hook> I will tape ALL episodes of S:AAB.  That show rocked.
<alert> is nin doing the quake music again >
<Mutilator> blah..... i donut get Sci-Fi channel :(
<Raven||TF> Hook: now how is all the windows graphics crap going to effect the porting to unix?
<Baron> alert: nope
<Mutilator> alert: don't think so....... trent said no
<Hook> Mjollnir: I don't know about the __MSC__ thing (been a LONG time since I worked on Glide)
<Hook> I'm unsure if there is going to be a Unix port of Q2.
<Baron> nin is workin on there new album, they don't have time to do quake2
<Prestige> man, you guys just bomb him with questions, I guess I shouldn have told you guys he was on
<Hook> At this point its primary target is Win32, and other platforms are under evaluation
<Mutilator> hehe
<Hook> Baron: It's also certain legalities with their label, etc.
<alert> HOOK who are you ???
<The_Shit> hook will performance be better under win95 or NT
Mutilator should pr0lly shuy up now b4 he gets t00 annoying
<^Borg^> Prestige: well who else will answer our questions
<Mutilator> alert: he's JohnC's new c0de d00d
<Baron> alert, he just said who he was
<halogen> woohoo
<^Borg^> ?
<Hook> alert: I'm Brian Hook, a programmer at id
<Baron> HALO!
<halogen> BARON!
<alert> wasn't paying attention
<Baron> what?
<QuakeGod> hey halogen
<halogen> uhoh
<Hook> All: I don't mind, I type REAL fast
<halogen> hey qg
<halogen> Hook, you are?
<Mutilator> alert: pay attention then u wouldn't need to ask questions so much :)
<Hellscrea> Halo is here?Did the ice help?
<Hook> This is my first time on IRC.
<Mutilator> Hook : thats a good asset :)
<halogen> hehe
<alert> HOOK are u intimidated by john ???????????? :)
<QwertMan> :)
<Hook> I felt obligated to do IRC one time
<Mutilator> Hook: careful its very addictive
<halogen> did ice help with what?
<Raven||TF> Hook: will id being doing the ports or outside people like zoid again(do not have to answer)
<halogen> ohhh
<halogen> oh yeah
<Hook> John is The Man.
<halogen> hehe
<Baron> heh
<alert> :)
<halogen> raven!
<Hook> Id doesn't do many ports anymore.  Our time is better spent elsewhere.  For example, Saturn Quake is being done outside.
<QuakeGod> hey, halogen, how big is mirc? :)
<halogen> hehe the whole crowd is here
<Baron> what about tokay, is he as psycotic as he seems?
<halogen> ummm 708kb
<Mutilator> Baron: worse
<Mjollnir> Hook: Will the openGL version of Q2 be using the same 3dfx driver (for 3dfx cards that is...)
<halogen> hehe
<The_Shit> I heard something about the saturn port in Game Pro magazine
<halogen> good questin
<alert> HOOK do u think quake 2 will kick unreals assssss ?
<Baron> dumbals!
<Hellscrea> Hey Tritian, just wanted to tell ya someone else stole yer Gatling Gun
<halogen> hey dumbals!
<Mutilator> Prestige: I think it was worse when they were on (ppl * 2)
<Hook> tokay?  Who is that?  I think that's American, right?  He ain't psycho, he just tries to act that way. :-)
<Mach5> DuMbals!!
<Hook> Then again, he knows Trent, so he's cooler than me.
<Prestige> it was worse
<Baron> heh
<GuGMaN> !seen tokay
<halogen> Trent!
<DuMbals> hey guys
<halogen> ack!
<DuMbals> wut up halo
<Prestige> but that's where this is going!!!!
<Hook> I have no comment on Unreal, other than it looks like real neat technology.
<Baron> woah... noing trent rocks
<halogen> !seen Trent
<Stratt> hhaha...in gamepro they had this netquake strategy guide...it showd people where to camp and shit, very lame
<Mutilator> Hook: hehe ;) you w0rk at a kickass GAme company...... therefore u r leet && cool
<DuMbals> !op
<halogen> camping sucks llama w00d
<The_Shit> most definately lame
<SmokeOTW> hook: hows come trent didnt actually make songs for the game and instead gave us this weird soundtrack with lots of backamsked voices
<alert> Hook what VID card do u recommend buying for quake 2 >?????
<Mutilator> quake.llamaw00d.com :)
<halogen> !mmbop
<Baron> NOOOOOOOOOOO HANSON SUCKS!!!!!
<halogen> hehe
<Hook> Mjollnir: We'll use whatever OGL driver is available
<QuakeGod> hey halogen, where is my new computer you promised me? :)
<Prestige> no kiding
<Hook> Right now we don't have a recommendation for cards, not until I have a chance to evaluate what's on the market.
<Mach5> !hansonsucks
<DuMbals> whos hook?
<halogen> ummm
<halogen> working on it qg
<Mutilator> You know what idsoftware needs? an IRC spokesperson......
<^Borg^> hook: what card do you test glquake2 on in the office?
<Prestige> Hook is not your concern!!!!
<The_Shit> what would be the best card to run GL quake2 if money were no object
<Hook> At this point the interesting looking ones are the Rage Pro, RIVA128, Banshee, V2200, and Voodoo Rush.
<Prestige> :-)
<halogen> i might be able to get you a 386 for $100
<Prestige> this is gonna be a long log also
<Hook> There is no GLQUAKE2, just QUAKE2 and it supports GL
<Hellscrea> Tritian:If you ever look at yer screen, someone else stole yer Gat again...don't MAKE me mail you
Mutilator reminds hook that he has no obligation to answer any questions :)
<halogen> yeah
<halogen> ahhh
<Mach5> im loggin
<halogen> cool, hook
<Hook> I use the Intergraph for testing, but we have some 3Dfx boards lying around.  It would be SO nice if we had some other cards
<Baron> hook, if you every meet trent, tell him i said hi. :)
<Mjollnir> Hook: Cool. Is there any info on what's openGL functions are supported on the the 3dfx driver? Or is the driver for id-only at the moment?
<Tritian-> hellcream: eh?
<Hook> but drivers are lacking.
<SmokeOTW> heeheeh
<Hook> Mjollnir: Talk to 3Dfx about that
<Hellscrea> Someone stole yer Gatling Gun again...
<halogen> drivers are the best solution yet to out-of-date hardware
<Hook> If money were no object, the XS100 from 3Dfx would be the best at this point
<^Borg^> hook: c'mon.. what card do you use :)
^Borg^ retracts
<^Borg^> thanks hook
<Hellscrea> Something called Maw of Rage...
<Hook> For _playing_
<halogen> or hardware that was designed with more general purposes in mind
<Mutilator> playing r00ls :)
<SmokeOTW> Hook: will quake2 continue to use polygons?
<Mjollnir> Seems the PCI bus is the bottleneck for 3d acceleration at the moment tho
<Hook> for level editing, the Gline 500MX, AccelGraphics AccelEclipse, or the Intergraph Realizms all rock
<DuMbals> wat about fer editing?
<The_Shit> about how many FPS would you get with that
<QuakeGod> now, i got the mortal kombat theme song nwe :)
<Hook> Yes, Q2 uses polygons
<Hook> PCI bus is going to be the bottleneck soon enough, but AGP will help
<Hellscrea> Tritian:You DID make the gatling gun, right?
<halogen> Intergraph Relaizm?!
<halogen> shit that's expensive!
<halogen> oops
<The_Shit> how much does that stuff run for
<Mutilator> lots?
<Mutilator> ;)
<Baron> w00h00! no one erased my Final Fantasy 3 saved game!!! yeah!!!
<Mutilator> hehe
<halogen> qg: mortal kombat sucks, the soundtrack ruled though
<DuMbals> hello mr ops u alive?
<Tritian-> hell: yeah, sorry.. talking to 50 people
<DuMbals> :)
<|Tool|> Hi everyone
<halogen> hello tool
<Hook> Right now Quake is fill limited on 3Dfx, so 60fps is possible with a scanline interleaved board (XS100)
Mutilator still wishes he could find someone to port DeathX to quakew00d........ hmmm maybe NightPuP can get around to doing it
<Stratt> hehe...Tool rules
<QuakeGod> i got the theme song on my computer as a mp3 :)
<Stratt> ...the band that it...
<halogen> ouch
<Tritian-> hell: can you give me a URL
<SmokeOTW> hook: does john carmack ever plan to come on the channel?
<jackychan> donkey kong rules
<Marlboro2> hook, what program dod you use to do your c code in?
<halogen> that's still a lot to spend on a gfx board
<Stratt> hehe...that is
<Raven||TF> mp3 rule!!
<Hook> The Realizm isn't good for games, but it's great for level editing
<Hellscrea> Tritian:It was on cdrom.com
<|007|-lag> hey
<Hook> John Carmack has better things to do that are more urgent, unfortunately.
<Hellscrea> lemme see if I still have the .zip, Ill check the text file
<Hook> I use MSVC
<Hellscrea> BRB
<Mutilator> What? some f00ker stole Trits leet ass gun?
<kolinahr> carmack never ircs
<DuMbals> *cough* op *cough*
<SmokeOTW> ah, like program the cottonpickin Game hehee
<Mjollnir> Hook: You using version 5 now?
<Marlboro2> is that what Quake2 is being made in?
<halogen> hook: you'd think that for the price you pay for those fuckers they'd be good for playing
<alert> HOOK what is the poly count on the monsters ???>>
<Hook> No way, V5 is broken, we're using 4.2
<GuGMaN> what quake2 stuff are u showing at e3
<Mutilator> hey UA
<Raven||TF> yuck, MSVC, use a good editor vi and gcc and you are set
<Mjollnir> Hook: Yea, i found out about v5 the hard way... the release libraries suck
<Marlboro2> What books do you use as refrence material?
<Hook> Halogen: The Integraphs are VERY high resolution, supporting deep Z and color depths and high res, so they are good for level editing, but for playing, once again, not the greatest
<DuMbals> ISO!
<Mutilator> heh
<halogen> oh i see
<halogen> that sucks
<Mutilator> still ookin for a server iso?
<Hook> Raven: Religious argument, let's not go there
<Tritian-> hell: cool, thanks
<Hook> Poly counts are about 600 or so I think for monsters
<halogen> hehe
<GuGMaN> what quake2 are u showing at e3????
<halogen> wow!
<Marlboro2> What books do you use as refrence material?
<alert> not bad
<Mutilator> Trit: s0me f00k head st0le your Gatling?
<Mjollnir> Raven: Is that Raven - TeamFortress or TF, clan TF?
<halogen> 600, shit
<Tritian-> mute: it happens all the time
<Baron> ok, got three ff4 guys lvl 99. im doin pretty good...
<Stratt> is anyone else having trouble with glquakeworld?
<Hook> Marlboro2: ALL the books I can find
<Baron> ff3 guys i mean
<Marlboro2> hehe
<Raven||TF> Hook, trust me, I go there to much already, I am unix guru what do you expect :)
<Hook> Check out http://www.wksoftware.com/3dbooks/publications.html
<Mutilator> Trit: damn... that sux
<halogen> Telefragged, mjol
<SmokeOTW> hook will there be a TRS-80 version of quake 2?
<Hook> Woops!
<Marlboro2> thanks alot
<QwertMan> hook: is the female caracter for distraction???
<Marlboro2> :)
<Hook> http://www.wksoftware.com/publications/3dbooks.html
<^Borg^> Hook: do you know if there will be selectable characters for playing? ie: as a guy or as a girl
<Marlboro2> ok
<DuMbals> tnx
<Mutilator> heh
<USteppin> Win $1 Million!!! on the new lifesaver rolls... why, wtf so special about $1 million ?!?!!
<Hook> Raven: I'm an emacs and tcsh freak, but MSVC just makes more sense for Windows programming
Mutilator would rather win 10
<halogen> $1 mill will buy you a pretty good system
<Mutilator> million that is
<Mjollnir> Hook: Is Q2 engine nearly complete, with just lvl/monster work to do, or it there a lot more to go?
<Mutilator> Halogen : naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
<Hook> Smoke: Yes, along with the TRS-80 version we'll be releasing an Atari 400 and 5200 version
<Hook> With smaller levels, of course. :-)
<halogen> hehe
<SmokeOTW> cool!
<Hook> Borg: Undertermined as of yet
<SmokeOTW> hehe
<Baron> :)
<halogen> mutilator: yeaaaaahhhh
<Mach5> why WOULDNT you want 1 mil?
<Hook> Mjollnir: More features being added all the time
<downinit> whats emacs?
<Baron> hook, you da man
<halogen> ummm it would make me to spoiled (yeah right, i'd spend it in a day)
<o9inchNat> <Isolation> He who submits a server gets ops for 5 mins
<Hook> Baron: Nah, I'm The Boy.  John's The Man.
<Hellscrea> Tritian:It say they have yer permission, some guy named Rand "Bag of Mice" Castleberry, E-mail address is...ordosrc@tulpi.mtvernon.wednet.edu
<The_Shit> what are these new features
<halogen> submits a server?
<Marlboro2> The netscape stock went down last week to 27 and I bougth a thousnad shares,  the next week it ws up to 48$ I think the scock market will get you good cash,  better than some damn lifesaver contest
<Baron> oh yeah
<Hellscrea> tulpi should be tulip on that
<SmokeOTW> id software should put out quake on one of those little "Tiger" pocket games you buy for 10 dollars
<Mach5> haha
<Hook> The_Shit: Not sure if I can say yet
<Marlboro2> haha
<Mutilator> HellScrea: ur shiting me? Thats within 15 miles of my house!
<halogen> hehe
<Mach5> that would rock
<halogen> that would be cool
<Raven||TF> I never got into emacs, I use tcsh, I should really learn MSVC for windows programming, soon
<Baron> if i get one more godamn imp halbred im going to puke
<Mjollnir> Hook: Cool book... I'm working on 3d engines for my degree. Might look into that :)
<Hellscrea> Mut:?
<Mutilator> I live near MtVernon
<Raven||TF> Hook: Last question, are you using straight c code or c++ code
<Hook> Mjollnir: Fuck the degree, I dropped out. :-)
<halogen> good wuestion
<Hellscrea> Indiana?I live in Evansville...
<DuMbals> hey hook do u think u can have sandypetersen reply to my email?
<Mutilator> its Westcoast....... Im gonna find that fook head and pound his face in if he stole it
<halogen> question, too
<Mutilator> Hells: no Washington State
<Marlboro2> Is it true you will use the old imp from doom in quake2? :)
<Hook> Raven: Ask all you want, we're using straight C and asm
<Hellscrea> Im not sure he stole it just yet...tryin to find out...
<Hook> Marlboro2: You'd have to ask the artists
<SmokeOTW> a real question: What home system right now is the best as far as converting these games- one would assume it would be the n64
<Mjollnir> Hook: Drop out.. don't let my mother see you telling me that ;)
<Marlboro2> ok
<The_Shit> asm is the way to go
<Mutilator> if he did. I kill his s0rry anus
<halogen> Marl: impulses?
<Hellscrea> HEY TRITIAN!!!Wake Up!!!!!
<Hook> DuMBals: Um, can't comment.
<halogen> oohhhh, the imp
<DuMbals> ?
<halogen> duh
<Prestige> Hook, can I post this log later?
<halogen> hehe
<The_Shit> a wise man once said the power to destroy a planet is nothing next to good inlin asm
<DuMbals> well can u at least ask?
<Hook> Prestige: Sure, whatever man
<Hellscrea> ?
<Prestige> ok, thanks
<halogen> w00p!
<Hellscrea> Did Iso get a server yet?
<SmokeOTW> hook: a real question: What home system right now is the best as far as converting these games- one would assume it would be the n64
<Prestige> Yo Prophet
<halogen> Prophet!
<DuMbals> hey prophet
<Mutilator> iso...... where on your page is SvC?? 
<downinit> whats the best way to learn C?
<Hook> Smoke: I don't understand your question
<Hook> downinit: Go buy books, learn from friends, and code 24/7.
<Prophet> hello =]
<Raven||TF> asm is awesome to program in, lose a little sleep when you do it though, asm in windows that must be insane
<DuMbals> mutilater wicked.unreal.org/svc
<halogen> ?
<USteppin> >=]
<USteppin> w0w, neat-0
<SmokeOTW> hook: I meant, what system, if it is any one system, does ID support right now?
Mutilator chooses his boss...... then what?
<Marlboro2> Do you think 3d graphics is more profitable than coding a 3d engine?
<Mjollnir> downinit: Steal sample code till it works :)
<Mach5> haha
<Hook> Smoke: Don't know, not up to speed on that stuff yet.
<Hook> Marlboro2: It ain't about money.  I personally don't believe in pure engines.
<Marlboro2> cool
<halogen> 3D is the future of gaming, imho
<alert> i have a question i want to get into the game industry some day doing programming ,do u know how or were i should start ???
<halogen> never going back to 2D ever
<halogen> it's too late
<SmokeOTW> hook: how hard was it for you to become proficient in programming?
<Mjollnir> Halogen: What about UO :)
<halogen> the civilization's hooked (pun intended)!
<halogen> UO?
<Mutilator> Whats left of civilization you mean
<halogen> hehe
<halogen> yeah
<^Borg^> damn I hate my ISP
<halogen> rkm!
<rkm> hiya
<^Borg^> Hook: do you hate your ISP?
Hellscrea goes to search the SvC page for a d/l section
<Hook> 3D is a _technology_.  Don't confuse technology for content.
<SmokeOTW> hehehe borg
<Hook> Means != ends
<Hellscrea> Tritian?
<Hook> Borg: Is my ISP relevant?
<Hellscrea> want me to E-Mail you the Readme.txT?
<Hook> Smoke: Very hard.  Been programming for 12 years, seriously for about 7.
<Marlboro2> I have the same question as alert i have a question i want to get into the game industry some day doing programming ,do u know how or were i should start ???
<halogen> and technology is just what gaming is about
<^Borg^> Hook: just kidding.. I didn't expect a reasonable response :)
<Hook> Marlboro2: Learn to code, don't suck, have faith, keep trying.
<Marlboro2> k
<Mjollnir> Hook: True.. I still rate many C64 games above Top current PC games... gameplay has gone downhill recently (except Quake of course :)
<halogen> hmmm
<alert> :P
<WU-GFK> hey all
<SmokeOTW> maybe I'll just stick to my dream of being a rock musician- hell maybe Ill get to do Quake 6's sondtrack
<halogen> i think i'm going to learn c while I'm still young
<SmokeOTW> hehe
<Hook> Borg: In Northern California I used WebNexus and they were very cool
<Hook> Smoke: If we're doing Quake6, I'll have left by then.  NO product needs to go into 6 releases...
<SmokeOTW> hehe
<GuGMaN> hook. how u get a job at id
<Marlboro2> I'm looking forward to tits in quake :)  Well so does the rest of the quake comunity ;)
<Mutilator> he made John C dr00l over his code (kidding!)
<^Borg^> Hook: Well if I'm ever stuck in the northern hemisphere I'll try and remember that.
<The_Shit> go get the real thing buddy
<halogen> marl ypu p3rv
<Boomer-> Hey Hook, how old where you when you started coding?
<Prestige> I'll bet
<Hook> Gugman: By not sucking. :-)
<SmokeOTW> Ah, I remember when John was doing little shoot em ups for this softdisk thing on the Apple II
<halogen> boomer, good question
<Hook> Marlboro2: Find a girlfriend...:-)
<SmokeOTW> those were the days
<Marlboro2> haha
<^Borg^> hook: that woman we see on the screenshots page looks very preliminary.. how long since she was created?
<kamikaZe> the q2girl's breasts DONT bounce they  sway
<Hook> Boomer: 12 years old, GW-BASIC.  Switched to C when I was 18, learned asm when I was 21ish
<Hook> Borg: No idea.  I found out about here from BluesNews. :-)
<Prestige> answer this, "if a house faces south on all 4 sides, and there's a bear standing near it, what is the color of the bear?"
<downinit> do you need C as a basis to learn asm?
<Hook> Prestige: white
<Mutilator> Borg: The clone was born a few weeks ago and has been growing in a vat somewhere in the Nevada desert
<Raven||TF> not reallyt, downit, my opinion
<Mach5> hey CoRNo, you awake????????????????
<^Borg^> prestige: white
<halogen> pres: blue
<^Borg^> mut:hehehe
<SmokeOTW> what college did you attend hook?
<Mutilator> Not always...... it could be white with red splotches on it form the ppl shooting from the house.......
<DuMbals> ohhhh
<Marlboro2> Hook: Do you have a finger log like all the other ID guys?
<Prestige> eh, I knew someone heard of this
<Prestige> that was easy
<Prestige> hmm, lagged
<Hook> Smoke: University of Florida, 1989-1992, 41 cr/hours before I dropped out to pursue a career making cash money :-)
<halogen> how should i go about learning C?
<SmokeOTW> lol
<halogen> i wanna be cool...
<Hook> Marlboro2: finger bwh@idsoftware.com
<Mutilator> hook : R u  selftaught?
<QuakeGod> hmmm
<Prestige> ok, never mind about that question, it was just stupid
<halogen> netsplit, ouch
<halogen> laaaagggg
<SmokeOTW> did you learn C in a class, hook, or from books and whatnot
<Hook> Mutilator: Yes, self taught.
<Mach5> 1/msg isolation to lend a hand :)
<Mach5> :D
<Marlboro2> cool
<Marlboro2> thanks
<^Borg^> Hook: if I was to start programming now.. what language should I learn to get into gaming?
<Hook> Smoke: "The C Programming Language, 2nd Ed." by Kernighan and Ritchie
<halogen> is anyone gonna answer me?
<Hook> Borg: C is a good base language to learn
<SmokeOTW> thanks
<QuakeGod> hehe, i have we will rock you on my computer -- mp3 :)
<DuMbals> no shadup
<^Borg^> thanks
<SmokeOTW> what program did you use?
<Hook> Mutilator: Yes, self-taught (using books and stuff).  Only class on programming I took I failed. :-)
<SmokeOTW> err, I mean what C compiler did you use thatis
<Mutilator> hook : hehe ..... ;)
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  What is the best program to use to learn C?
<Hook> Smoke: I learned using an old compiler called "Power C" by Mix Software, then I switched to Quick C 1.0, then Turbo C++ 2.0, and...
<QuakeGod> halogen -- i know C, i could teach you something
<Hook> well, I used a lot of compilers.
<upaboveit> um, a c compiler.
<QuakeGod> i knew basic and pascal :\
<Hook> Sandman: A compiler. :-)
<Raven||TF> gcc is the best :)
<halogen> hmmm
<SmokeOTW> yeah I know BASIC wooohooo hooo hoo
Mutilator was learning C but then quake came out GAH!
<SmokeOTW> I actually got a freeware program
<The_Shit> lets here for BASIC
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  I'd get one of these programs at any computer store?  Would you reccomend Borland C++?
<QuakeGod> well, i gotta go
<QuakeGod> see you tomorrow
<SmokeOTW> heheh hook your games prolly distract alot of people from learning code
<Mutilator> c-u
<DuMbals> cya!
<Arcane> just don't get borland 3.1
<Arcane> sux
<Marlboro2> How are the lights in quake2 handled ?  Is it the same as in quake1?
<Mjollnir> Hook: The d3D HAL is meant to support openGL ). Was that what the petition was about?
<Hook> Sandman: If you're SERIOUS about programming, get Microsoft Visual C++
<Baron> cya
<[SaNDman]> l8z
<Hook> Arcane: Hey man, I LOVED BC++ 3.1 (for DOS programming)
<Boomer-> Hook: Has there been a quake2 deathmatch yet?
<Hook> Mjollnir: The D3D HAL does NOT support OpenGL, and it simply can't for technical reasons (I know, I've tried)
<^Borg^> Hook:did you play much Quake before you joined id?  and do you play now?
<Raven||TF> bc 3.1 is the best next to gcc
<kolinahr> ?
<Arcane> hook:  what?  man that compilers got stack problems and all sortsa bugs
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  is MS C++ very complicated?  Also, what is different between C and C++?
<Hook> Borg: Yes, I played a LOT of CTF.
<Hook> I was also a HUGE Descent fan.
<alert> hay HOOK i have msc++ what books u recommend for a little old beginner ?
<Mach5> blah
<Baron> damn low level charecters. it's going to take me all night to get them up to level 99
<Hook> Marlboro: Pretty much, just in color now.
<Marlboro2> cool
<DuMbals> wb baron!
<Mjollnir> Don't get VC5 either :|
<Prestige> C is older
<Prestige> :-)
<Hook> Arcane: Hey, for DOS it ruled enough for me.
<SmokeOTW> hook: Do you see guys at id playing rival companies games, like walk in and see a duke nukem deathmatch going on?
<Baron> ehh... my back hurts
<Hook> alert: Go look at http://www.wksoftware.com/publications/3dbooks.html
<The_Shit> c++ has user definable classes
<Raven||TF> c++ use objects and classes and methods
Mutilator luved Descent.... unfortunately you couldn't play on da net 4 free and I didn't have a josysick
<Hook> Smoke: Not yet.
<^Borg^> Hook: I thought the levels were to crammy in descent, better design in d2
<CoRNo> baron: groups of two with an experience egg each in the final castle... youll be on level 99 in 20 minutes per each character
<Arcane> well at least 3.1 was small!  The new one can take up over 200mgs! :)
<Mjollnir> Hook: Yea, I know, but all the Microsoft literature say's it's meant to or will... The petition is about ensuring MS do it?
<Hook> Borg: I felt the opposite.  I thought the levels in D2 sucked, but the ones in D1 ruled
<Baron> corno: im tryin to get them 99 before that.
<Hook> Mjollnir: No, the MS literature is out of date, inaccurate, and just wrong.  They gave up on the layering (admitted it on Usenet).
<SmokeOTW> I once read where the guys at interplay wasted an entire day playing network doom while they were creating descent
<zxyxz> /whois jello
<Mjollnir> Sand: Learn C first... it's the structure and method of programming that's everything
<Baron> corno: im usin the forrest with the trexes in it
<Hook> The petition was to get Microsoft to support OpenGL as an equal to Direct3D, not like some bastard step child.
<^Borg^> smoke:that would explain a lot :)
<SmokeOTW> hehe
<poop> damn you straight to hell, ISP!!!!
<Vlad_Drak> MS is horrible about supporting its products...
<CoRNo> bar: that works too
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  Thanks!
<The_Shit> I completely agree with that petition
<poop> aarrrgggh
<^Borg^> Hook: why the open letter.. why not a face to face with Bill Gates?
<Baron> corno: ive gotten 3 guys 99, only bout 5 or 6 mroe
<Baron> ):
<DeitY> i have a cat
<^Borg^> or someone equally MS
<Vlad_Drak> they wont even publicly acknowledge the calls necessary to defrag an NT disk
<Hook> Borg: Sure, yeah, we'll just call Bill up and do lunch.
<upaboveit> borg: cuz he won't have it
<GuGMaN> hook. what do u do at id
<poop> ummm
<GuGMaN> stuff that question
<Hook> Borg: That's a VERY tough thing to manage.
<poop> oops
<Mach5> CoRNo, finished rendering yet???
<Mjollnir> Hook: Yea.. I'd have to agree. Will Quake2 be using DirectDraw or DirectSound, etc.. for the windows interface tho?
<Hook> "Face time" with higher ups at MS is tough to get.
<poop> son of a bitch
<Stratt> yea...just go up and smack Gates
<CoRNo> mach: T-30 seconds =)
<Hook> Mjollnir: It _can_ use the DirectX components, but won't require them as far as I know.
<halogen_> better
<Mach5> CoRNo, ohhh!!!! gimme it!!!
<kolinahr> !
<SmokeOTW> you would think, that bill gates would be helping ID directly himself with this stuff- ID is a major force
Mutilator crashes Corno's computer :) kidding
<CoRNo> its gonna be BIG
<^Borg^> hook: but id is powerful.. I'm sure they could swing it
<halogen_> wb prophet
<DuMbals> wb prophet
Hellscrea smacks Bill Gates with the largest Rotfish he's ever seen
<^Borg^> Bill gates visits kindergartens for christs sake!
<Prophet> =]
<halogen_> beat you dumbals
<Mach5> CoRNo, how big?
<[SaNDman]> what do MS and iD have to do with each other?
<CoRNo> orca fat.....
<Marlboro2> will any future id games use joints and bones to make it animate instead of frame animation?
<Arcane> Bill Gates has more cash then you'd make in 10 lifetimes! :)
<DuMbals> ?
<Hook> Borg: id is only a single, small software company
<DuMbals> beat me
<Hellscrea> hehehe
<Baron> :)
<alert> HOOK will the weapons in deathmatch change when ya pick up a new one or will it say he same ?
<Hook> Borg: Within this industry, I'd daresay that real big companies like EA have more swing
<CoRNo> ill tell you in a second...
<DuMbals> did not@
<Mutilator> hook id has a bigger following than MS
<Mach5> how do you use link looker 95?
<halogen_> wb raven
<Hook> alert: Don't know
<Mjollnir> What about DirectEngine... eheh... bleah... d3d is so slow (bout 1/3 framerate of Glide in what I'm doing... :)
<Arcane> mutilator:  only for people 10-20!
<Hook> Mutilator: Hah, I'd like to see THAT backed up by a study...
<Raven|GOD> thanks for answering my questions, Hook, good night
<Stratt> Hook: do u think smokn bud will affect the ability to program?
<Mutilator> hook: so would I :)
<Hook> Mjollnir: DirectEngine...*cough* no comment *cough*
<SmokeOTW> heck I have been playing ID games since Commander Fudging Keen!!!
<Hook> Stratt: Hasn't so far. :-)
<DeitY> ALERT: do u have a cat PS good onE funny boy
<halogen_> hmmm strat: yeah
<Vlad_Drak> strat:hahaha
<Baron> sup nigel
<The_Shit> dont smoke bud it is bad
<Prestige> gota go, bb tomorrow
<Stratt> hahahah....cool
<Hook> Smoke: So have I!
<Marlboro2> will any future id games use joints and bones to make it animate instead of frame animation?
<The_Shit> I know
<Baron> keen rocks!
<halogen_> cya pres!
<Prophet> hook what don't you like about direct engine?
<Hellscrea> I downloaded an awesome patch today where it wshowed whatever weapon you were carrying on the player.mdl...hope we see that in Q2..ahem
<Hook> Marlboro2: Unknown at this point.  Future technology is, well, in the future. :-)
<SmokeOTW> I never would have geussed at the time that a kiddie game would soon grow into the violence that is quake
<Attacker> is Quake2 out?
<Mjollnir> Prohphet: Because Direct3d is __SloW__
<Marlboro2> :)
<SmokeOTW> gotta love that in quake you got the commander keens on the stake
<DuMbals> yea
<Hellscrea> hahah
<DeitY> hhha ya
<Hook> Prophet: The fact that it exists (OpenGL Optimizer looks like a better, more open way to go)
<DuMbals> attacker: u dun have it?
<Attacker> 12 Can someone help me set up Team fortress?
<downinit> what the hell is Emacs???im playing with it from a unix shell and i dont know what it is....
<Stratt> hellscrea: wherd u get that patch?
<Hellscrea> Yeah.Quake2 came out yesterday
<Baron> smoke, that was in doom 2
<Mutilator> HEll: nope....... take t00 much caching
Arcane says Direct to des nutz!
<SmokeOTW> oh yeah
<Attacker> wtf
<Mjollnir> Woohoo! TF rules :) (I did the web page :)
<Hellscrea> ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/idgames2/incoming/multiwep.zip
<^Borg^> Hook:Microsoft knows games.. lol!!!
<Marlboro2> Have the diversity of monsters improved?  I never liked how quake had so few monsters
<halogen_> Team Fortress = Sniper Fortress
<DuMbals> no colors attacker
<GuGMaN> what q2 is id showing at e3
<HombuDojo> Microsoft games blow
<Hook> Gugman: Don't know, I'm not involved with the E3 effort at this point.
<Baron> ehh.... ill brb.  gonna go do uhh... something....
<Vlad_Drak> gug: go read Scary's page
<Mutilator> If you play a teamfortress game and look back in the qconsole.log what is the most common word seen? "third eye from..."
<[SaNDman]> how do i get to e3?
<Hook> Marlboro2: Do you mean "diversity" or "quantity"?
<Mjollnir> Mutilater: Bleah, it's a team game.. TF is for LAN, not inet.
<halogen_> ummm
<Hook> Quantity can't be helped, too many polygons if there are a bunch of them running around.
<Hook> Diversity...well, that's out of my control (game design issue).
<Marlboro2> quantity of diffrent monsters
<Mutilator> Mjollnir: true..... but still
<halogen> that was strange
<HombuDojo> HOOK> have u seen q2 yet?  any good???????????
<Redd> I wonder, is Quake realtime?
<Hook> HombuDojo: Uh, yeah, I've seen Q2 once or twice, it looks pretty good. 
<DeitY> sandman: dance your way there!
<Redd> quake2 i mean
<^Borg^> Hook: do you know how many baddies there might be in quake2?
<halogen> that was a dumb question :)
<alert> plane
<Hook> Borg: No idea
<Mjollnir> Hook: How you interpolating the frames of the monsters? Is it strictly linear, or can you vary how it works (ie. acceleration,etc)?
<Hook> Mjollnir: Don't know off the top of my head, but probably linear.
<Arcane> anyone seen a good 3rd party write up on the Matrox Millenium II???
<HombuDojo> cool
<^Borg^> Hook: how many monster models have you seen so far then?
<downinit> what is the "portal" technology that 3drealms says Prey will be?
<Marlboro2> is the 3dfx chip the dominate 3d accelorator ID uses?
<DuMbals> Well, while I was over at id Software yesterday American was kind enough to show me all the stuff that they will
<DuMbals>      be giving a demo of at E3. 
<DuMbals>      My overall impression was "WOW, this place is HUGE" I mean, you look at the levels and they have this great
<DuMbals>      feeling of grandness, like you get when you walk into a cathedral or the likes.. the texture work was outstanding,
<DuMbals>      amazing they can do that stuff with just 256 colors to work with. He showed me a few of the new weapons, as
<Redd> I mean, is the Quake2-enviroment realtime?
<DuMbals>      well as about 5 monsters.. Those animated gifs on the web page don't do the monsters justice, they
<Hook> Borg: Actually, no that many, I haven't talked to the modelers much yet (been here one week).
<DuMbals> all seem to
<DuMbals>      have multiple attacks, and are just plain freaking cool. And yea, that screen shot of a monster ducking under a
<DuMbals>      rocket is a reality, American was firing rockets down the hall at one of the monsters and it was actually dodging /
<DuMbals>      ducking under the rocket. uh... stuff that I observed:
<DeitY> HooK: do u have a hammer that i could hit alert with?
<DuMbals> just thought u would like to know
<Hook> downinit: look up papers on "portals" and "potentially visible sets" on the Web, and some papers by Seth Teller of MIT
<[SaNDman]> DuM:  you were at id???
<halogen> ummm
<halogen> dumbals where did that come from?
<Hook> 3Dfx is still the only accelerator that really supports GLQuake pretty well.
<DuMbals> haha no
<HombuDojo> 3dfx kicks
<Vlad_Drak> hal: Scary
<^Borg^> Hook:will you be working more with them as time goes by or does your work no collide with theirs?
<DuMbals> scary was
<Redd> scuse me, when is the release dato?
<Mjollnir> Hook: Decent uses portals already doesn't it?
<WhtZombe> Demons are walkin
<[SaNDman]> DuM:  who is scary?
<WhtZombe> >:|
<CoRNo> the promo movie clocks in at 6.4 megs
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  What are portals?
<DuMbals> sCary from ritual entertainment
<Marlboro2> what is the best college to goto when you are persuing a carrer in computer programing?
<halogen> who is sCary?!
<WhtZombe> Wow
<Vlad_Drak> whoa
<WhtZombe> new movies?
<WhtZombe> Where?
<Mach5> awww CoRNo
<WhtZombe> Come on tell me
<GuGMaN> r u gonna post the demo on the net(the one at e3)
<halogen> corno: promo movie?!
<Hook> Borg: I'm sure I'll work more with them.  I'm still ramping up, so just haven't had a chance to talk to them.
<DuMbals> hey condemned
<CoRNo> i need web space... stat!
<WhtZombe> Cool
<halogen> corno, for what?
<CoRNo> someone msg me
<Condemned> Hi or something
<Hook> Mjollnir: Descent uses pseudo-portal type stuff, not like what Prey is using (well, sort of, but don't have time to get into a huge technical discussion on portals)
<CoRNo> for the movie
<WhtZombe> Corno
<halogen> we have some room at telefragged
<WhtZombe> Is it professional?
<Locke_CJ> Mjollnir!
<Baron> i hate that
<Hook> Marlboro2: Best college is "School of Hard Knocks" :-)
<halogen> what movie?!
<CoRNo> wht: sorta i guess...
<The_Shit> marlboro2 I would have to say Hrvey Mudd
<Baron> hook: is it a bad thing when your computer speaks in klingonese?
<GuGMaN> is id gonna put the stuff they show at e3 on the net
<The_Shit> marlboro2 I would have to say Harvey Mudd
<Hook> The_Shit: Don't know.
<Mjollnir> Locke!
<Hook> Baron: Uh, yeah, I guess.
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  Seriously, though, do you know of any *top* programming schools?
<Baron> ok...
<halogen> Lock!
<^Borg^> Hook: from what you've seen of Quake2... does the water look any better from above the surface?
<Vlad_Drak> MIT
<Hook> Baron: Better than if it talked to you in tongues or something
<The_Shit> or CIT
<Hook> Borg: About the same, from what I Can tell.
<^Borg^> Hook:in gl of course
<Hook> SandMan: I don't believe in going to school to learn to program.
<Hellscrea> Is Q2 going to show what weapon the player is carrying on the model?
<Baron> no way! klingonese rocks!
<Hook> Hellscream: Don't know.
<Mutilator> Hellscrea: no
<Mutilator> its not
<alert> Is Q2 going to show what weapon the player is carrying on the model?
<halogen> star trek blows
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<GuGMaN> hook. r id gonna put the stuff they show at e3 on the net
<alert> k 
<Mutilator> It'd require too much caching on the models
<DeitY> 4HOOK:: ALERT thinks your sexy and he wants me to ask u if u could bum rush him MSG: ALERT!
<Vlad_Drak> hellscre... if Hexen 2 does... think about it
<DuMbals> hey george
<Hook> GugMan: Don't know
<Baron> halo, im going to pretend you didn't say that
<GeorgB3DR> dum....
<Mutilator> and they can't just put the gun there it'd be too hard to make it move with the player
<alert> kick deity 
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  so you suggest learning entirely on your own?
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<WU-GFK> hi geroge
<alert> hes in here only to cause problems
<Hook> SandMAn: It depends on who you are.  I did, but that doesn't mean it's the best way.  Some people do real well with
<DeitY> ehhehe
<Hook> a college education, because it forces you to learn things you may not bother with on your own.
<DeitY> alerts a B I T C H
<QwertMan> hook: do you know what is going to be shown at E3?
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<kolinahr> later
<Prophet> hey George
<Hook> It really is up to the individual and what works best for them.
<^Borg^> Hook: do the shadows fall in the correct direction in relation to the light source?
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  I know VB.  Is that a plus in learning C?
<Hook> QwertMan: No, I don't.
<Hook> Borg: Don't know yet.
<^Borg^> Shadows from models taht is
<Hook> SandMan: It's a good start.
<Hellscrea> Mut:would it ?Someone just release a Quake1 patch today that showed the player's weapon on the model
<halogen> VB is cool
<halogen> yes!
<[SaNDman]> Hook:  Okay, thanks again!
<Locke_CJ> That would be cool, it could be Pay-per-view.
<[SaNDman]> yes but VB is easy and WEAK
<Mutilator> hellscrea: it'd take up memory that some ppl just don't have........ with the size of the Q2 levels they're gonna be tight on mem
<Stratt> hey, whered u get that patch??
<^Borg^> Hellscream: where can I get it?
<Mutilator> hey mancer
<DuMbals> hey mancer didnt c u down there
<Hellscrea> ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/idgames2/incoming/multiwep.zip
<Baron> hey netguy
<The_Shit> how big are the q2 levels going to be in comparison to quake levels
<mandril2> is quake2 out allready
<Mutilator> 2x as big... maybe bigger
<[SaNDman]> Hell:  What is multiwep.zip???
<Mutilator> mandril : no
<NetGuy> hey y'all
<TONkA> hey
<Hellscrea> mandril:It came out sunday
<a|ert> 4HOOK: Deity was right i love u man and all i want to do is get doun your pants!
<TONkA> anyone going to the fray???
<Mach5> buhbye ppl
<halogen> hello NetGuy
<Baron> ehhh
<Mach5> cyah
<Witzbold> i plan on it
<alert> HOOL are there going to be outdoor levels ????
<alert> hook i mean
<halogen> hey Witzbold!
<Vlad_Drak> heh
<TONkA> i'm there... my little bro and i!
<Witzbold> hey daddio
<Hellscrea> Sand:Its a patch that show what weapon the player is carrying on the player.mdl
<Hook> alert: Don't know yet
<DuMbals> midiguy too geez
<halogen> hello midiguy
<yugidim> hey
<Baron> hey midiguy
<halogen> we got an allstar cast
<Mancer> back
<Witzbold> this place is popular and stuff
<DuMbals> yea
<halogen> yup
<Hook> Okay kids, gotta get back to work.
<DuMbals> hope SOME1 is loggin
<Baron> Hook: do you like rocky road?
<[SaNDman]> Hell:  what is an mdl?
<halogen> k, bye hook
<kamikaZe> im loggin
<QwertMan> bye
<TONkA> work?!?!
<[SaNDman]> see ya Hook, thanks!
<Stratt> heheh
<Mjollnir> Hook: Yea, thanks hook
<Hellscrea> midiguy, get outta here and go work on Zerstorer!
<TONkA> hah!
<^Borg^> Thanks Hook see ya
<halogen> thanks!
<Hook> Baron: It's my favorite ice cream in the world (from a store, that is).  Breyers Chocolate for store bought.
<Baron> ya
<Witzbold> i feel like i missed something :)
<Marlboro2> bye
<DuMbals> wb trit
<The_Shit> thanx hook
<Marlboro2> You have helped alot
<Baron> YES!
<Baron> YOU KICKASS HOOK
<Mancer> +b for +v, what a deal
<TONkA> any girls on here
<yugidim> hehe
<alert> see ya HOOK
<[SaNDman]> Hell:  what does an .mdl file do?
<Hook> Watch "finger bwh@idsoftware.com"
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